George, all, 

IMHO, the data subject related apps will be provided by other tasks covered by WU, UL, WF, UPM, etc. Signatu, as a CMP, will support the data controllers to manage their data/meta-data and communicate them with data subjects’ devices. What happens on the data-subjects’ side/device is not a part of CMPs responsibility. 

I think we should be careful to have a solid and consistent framing throughout the proposal, cases, tasks, etc.

Just my two cents,

Thanks and cheers,

Soheil 

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On 15.10.2021, at 20:46, Georg Philip Krog <georg@signatu.com> wrote:

Rigo

Signatu is built as a platform.

On top we can build apps.

Hence, an app for data subjects to permit car data sharing.

It would be good to understand what you want the app to do frontend (and backend).

Best regards
Georg

15.10.2021 kl. 16:51 skrev Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org>:

Vincent,

the idea of the 3rd use case was to create an App on a mobile phone being
able to make permission of consent without being actually in the smart
city or car app. "Une sorte de secure pass" like in the french banking
applications.

I have seen the description and it misses this cornerstone. But I can't
write it, because I can't programme it. So I need buy in from Jon. In
short, use case 3 is the Signatu - App. They describe the backend, but not
the frontend (yet)

So all of the use case can then be also used with the App from use case 3.
UC3 has no "instance data" case like the others, because it is generic.
But it could be aligned with smart cities or smart cars.

--Rigo

On Fri, 2021-10-15 at 15:02 +0200, Vincent Roca wrote:
Rigo, Jon,

As is, this Pilot 3 is strange because:
- it does not define a clear use case (it's more a general need),
- it’s obvious to me that Signatu will « integrate solutions developed
within CoCoDat with their existing solutions ».
 In fact I thought it was already part of WP3/4 deliverables and
integrated in use cases 1 and 2.

We do need the features, but do we need it as a well identified separate
pilot?
Should it be integrated in T5.3 « cross case integration and studies »?
It would than be less visible but still present in WP5.

What do you think?

And yes, if this is a pilot, we need to update WP5 accordingly. I
haven’t done anything so far.

Cheers,

 Vincent

Le 14 oct. 2021 à 20:42, Rigo Wenning <rigo@w3.org> a écrit :

Jon,

in the goals section of case 3 we wanted to implement a generic
permission
application (like the secure confirmation apps in banking) to grant
permissions. This is needed in use case one and 2, but could be a
central
goal for the support of the SMEs you mention in case 3.

I don't want to introduce text before I have some agreement. We need
to
make space for Uni-Luxembourg who will provide lots of insight in UX
and
has lots of resources there. This is currently not reflected in the
use
cases. IMHO, having a consent app may be central to that.

--Rigo

On Thu, 2021-10-14 at 17:18 +0100, Jon Stephansen / Signatu wrote:

Hello Vincent,

Both Georg and I have reviewed your *current state* and *goals*
description and we think it's a great improvement. We are happy to
use
it as the basis of what's required of Signatu.

If an updated and new illustration is required, we can put that
together
tomorrow.

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